No Doomsday in 2012: The Reason Why Science Will Not Win

Why Planet X is not Nibiru...

I’ve been busy compiling two new articles about the 2012 doomsday scenario. This time I’ve investigated why Planet X is not the same thing as the Sumerian planet “Nibiru”, and why a “killer solar flare” will not be possible in the year 2012. This brings the 2012 series up to its fourth edition, and the feedback has been very interesting. Probably the most important thing I want to emphasise about this whole 2012 prophecy stuff is that I am not trying to stamp on anyone’s beliefs. There are many reasons why 2012 may hold significant spiritual or religious meaning, and I am not disputing this in any way. I want to present the science facts, not the science “facts” that seem to overwhelm many of the end of the world scenarios. Alas, I suspect that I’m fighting a losing battle. I got it wrong, debunking the doomsayers who are doing this for financial gain are not concerned whether their evidence adds up, they are using one tool that I cannot influence. Fear.

Sometimes I feel as if I’m beating a dead horse. When planning the next 2012 article, I think “aren’t people getting a little tired of this?“, but then I scan the web to find another 2012 doomsday video on YouTube, another blog talking about the end of the world in four years time. Each one draws on the hysteria behind the possibility of mass death and destruction.

So I feel motivated again, I suddenly want to counter-argue these outrageous claims. This is why I posted two articles in quick succession in the last few days, one about Planet X (again) and another about a flare the Sun could never generate.

At the end of most doomsday trails there’s usually book for sale. In principal I have no problem with a publication based on factual claims (they don’t even need to be scientific), but when science is being moulded to fit in with doomsayers beliefs, that is when I feel anger. Fair enough, tell us why the Mayan calendar predicts the end of the world, tell us why the ancient Chinese foretold our fate, even pull out the Bible and tell us why the book of Revelation is “right on” (after all, the Bible talks about the “Great Flood”, why not predict the “Great Fire”?). All this I have no problem with, as long as it is based on facts.

Personally, I don’t believe it, and I don’t believe in prophecies predicting the future with any accuracy (prophets, after all, kept their predictions general, leaving us to fill in the details after the event). But these are my beliefs and opinion, I’m not going to go out of my way to prove, with science, that the Bible is wrong, that the Mayans didn’t have a clue, this would be me stamping on ground that shouldn’t be touched unless I were some expert in archaeology or mythology (all very fine and very interesting fields I might add).

So, when the likes of Marshall Masters compiles the complete works of the 2012 Planet X scenario in a series of videos and a book entitled “Surviving 2012 and Planet X,” is it little wonder people might be a little uptight. After all, this guy is a former CNN science feature producer; surely he checks the facts behind his publications? Unfortunately, all his years immersed in science didn’t teach him to verify the facts he claims to have such authority over. For more information on this, see “2012: No Planet X” and make a note on why the 1983 and 1992 “discoveries” cannot be the same thing (and this is just using the evidence Masters provides in his articulate rendition of the Planet X conspiracy!).

In response to this example (and others), I try to pull up the scientific reasoning behind all this hype. “Reasoning” is the operative word. It’s usually a case of grabbing at any science study that might fit and cannibalizing it to re-enforce a very bizarre theory.

So why do these Doomsday theories have such stamina? Surely people can see through the hype by now? Actually, this can be hard. On watching a History Channel documentary about the 2012 prophecies, I could see why people might be worried. Being from the UK, I haven’t experienced US docs quite like this. Between the powerful (and a little frightening) theme tunes, bright imagery and atmospheric cross fades of actors dressed as Nostradamus and ancient Chinese philosophers, this documentary felt more like a blockbuster movie than anything factual. I found myself thinking, “hold on, they might have something here, perhaps the world is going to end! What a fool I’ve been!”, but I quickly recovered and realised that is the power of these prophecies: Fear.

No amount of science articles or reasoning or logic can fight off the air of fear that surrounds the question “What if?” Doomsayers will continue to use this powerful ally to argue 2012 is the end, they will also use it to argue that 2013, 2020, 2030, and the year 3000 will be the end of life as we know it. And the worst thing is, the guys at the end of the doomsday trail will still be making money from book sales and there won’t be a thing science can do about it…


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  • Diego Martins
    Dear Mr O Neill,

    Since I knew this thing about Planet X or Nibiru I been very worried, in a point that has become addictive. I'been studying every website of the world related with this topic, Its amazing because all of them get to the same conclusion, the 12-dec-2012 when planet Nibiru will pass close to the Earth creating a ex-change of Axis and well we know the rest of the history. I been following all your articles and be honest you are the only one against 10000 websites that say the opposite, thing I personally appreciate because you say things with solid bases. However seems everything matches for this 2012 ends of the days, I mean, the mayan calendar, the Egyptian scripts, the new discovery of the sink Pyramids in Japan and even a new citi sink in the deep coast of Cuba recently discovered. I mean those were civilizations like us and all of them were exterminated by a reason. Also why the NASA does not say anything about the planet Nibiru, we know is there is been discovered but why NASA does not provide information about this or at least say the truth about this planet is coming to earth in 2012 affecting all of us ?? and how its possible that today this planet is so far and in just 4 years can be here ??
    Please Mr Oneil I will appreciate if you can answer or make and article about this, you are the only one serious and with credibility that at least can give us a hint on what is really goes on and what is going to really happen that year.

    My respect to you.
    diego Martins.
  • alisha1234
    Hey guys look you never now when the doomsday going to come in every single religion in world would say you never now when the doomsday will come.Scientist would say what they think but it shouldn't effect us living our life just pray God.Ask for forgiveness.As I am a Muslim i don't believe in this rubbish.Any religion's book in the world won't say when is a doomsday.
  • jpo809
    hey do you know that nostradumas saw things like hurricane katrhina and the tsunami in 2004 and south africas president 500 yrs before it happend. how can this not happen.
  • Hey Ian,

    My theory is that the people promoting this garbage don't believe in it themselves--although it does help pay for their bills. :)

    As far as using the bible as a "reference for doomsday," I remember reading a passage in Matthew 24:36 where Jesus Christ even said no man new "the hour" (or time), which is great to quote to doomsday cults (well, at least it will get them off of your back).

    Thanks for another write up, although if I were you I would make a wager with these groups (say if you're right, they each pay you $10, but if they're right, they keep your soul). ;-)
  • barb27
    The hour nor time but he never once said you wouldn't know the day! think about what you wrote... no man shall know the hour nor the time.... What about day it is in the Bible if you read the Bible.
  • david61408
    actually the Bible says in Matthew chapter 24 verse 36 says but of that day and hour knoweth no man no not angels in hevan but my father oly
  • Datasmith
    Hello Ian:

    I agree with you on all the points you make except one. The people who are the "victims" of these scams are getting more than their money's worth by purchasing books and advice. It gives them some interest in their otherwise unbearably boring lives. The purveyors are certainly less than ethical, because they know better, but the sheep are just begging to be fleeced. So, chill.
  • Joe
    Hello Ian, is it possible for the earth to be lined up with the galactic plane in 2012? I read on some website, they claim some sort of black hole at the center of the galaxy will be aligned with the earth. From what they say, is that the black hole will "tug" on the earth causing a pole shift. Is this theory at all possible, or is it another way for these loosers to influence fear?
  • Hello Joe
    I am not a great scientist or philosopher but i just want to share my knowledge with you all
    Please don't start believing what ever you see on the web sites
    simply do one thing get more and more information about the words mentioned on those web sites you will surely understand the fact about those words that is galatic plane i haven't heard about this word but i know by my knowledge what black hole is,
    Black hole is actually a natural phenomena occurs when a star at the end of its lifetime
    a star's center becomes unstable due to which the star explodes thats called supernova in scientific terms due to which a large amount of gamma rays emitted through its spinning axis point because of this explosion the space around the star i mean including the planets near to it are burnt or destroyed due to heat released during the explosion and cooled at the same rate creating a vacuum of space in the center of star it start pulling the remains in it.
    it is so dense that light rays are bent passing near the core of star because of which it appers like a black hole in the center when viewed from the top of its axis as viewed from front you can only see dust clouds surrounded
    So now you might have understand about black hole and just imagine about the stars very far from our solar system we can't even see these phenomena happening with naked eye we can't even think about the black hole coming so near to us or near to our sun
    so whenever somebody says about black holes without any knowledge of it i would simply ask him if he knows about it fully or not because only few people have full knowledge about black holes. so by their clams only you can now understand that their idea is totally wrong.
    I think you were also afraid because of less knowledge of black hole or you may have watched in some movie about black hole spacecrafts traveling through black hole thats really not possible in near many many generations unless you are traveling at the speed of light.

    Bye have nice 2012
  • N0D00MSDAY
    I read one website yesterday that the is no way a black hole can be created, I frogot the reasons but there is NO-WAY it can come into our universe no matter what! And also, God will not aloow this to happen to mankind.
  • JBB
    It's all about HOPE! Most of us have a deep, dark hope that the End of Everything will happen soon and save us from our tedious lives.

    Or maybe I just want to have a smug expression on my face while watching the shocked expression on yours when it happens.
  • Peter
    Joe I think that galactic plane is to wide to cross it through in one year and if really close to it we should fell its ifluence right now but so far nothing happened
  • R.A.D
    this is so right all the people who believe in those wack job therios are crazy just look at Y2K evryone thoght the same thing would happen but look im still hear and kicken and im not going to freak about to waste all my time time worring about this crack pot theroy.
  • Xeno
    Oh come on!!! You know you want it to happen. I mean really, wouldn't it be cool? Certainly it would be much more exciting to behold than to just watch our ever expanding universe suffer its slow thermal death--over the next 200 billion years. Just think: what would it have been like when that Mars size object slammed into the Earth four billion years ago and made the moon! Sheesh, except for only a handful of mass extinctions over the last billion years, nothing ever happens in our neck of the galaxy. Eta Carinae...where are you when we need you. Let's call down the thunder; I wanna hear the boom!
  • algarok
    You Guys ARE RIGHT .I WATCHED URI GELLER .SUCH BULLSHIT
    THAT idiot LIES.DOOMSDAY 2012 NO WAYS THAT is FUCKIN IMPOSSIBLE
  • GettaGrip
    It's the end of the world as we know it... and I feel fine.

    Oh MAN! And I was hoping to get the New Apple in 2013... you know the one with the portable 3D screen and 50 TB Hard drive!?

    We are indeed odd little creatures. There is no evidence for the afterlife, but that doesn't stop us. We Wanna Believe! There is no evidence for extraterrestrial invaders stealing our women and children in the middle of night, doing unspeakable degrading tests on them, but hey, our minds are made up. We Wanna Believe! There is no evidence of anything being 'supernatural' in it's origin, but, once again, many of us firmly believe, not only is my god better than your god, but he or she is in reality the ONLY god and the rest are just impostors!

    We like being scared (we ride roller coasters of our own making), we like being right (even if the evidence doesn't support our stand), but most of all... it appears we are extremely quick to forget our failures and mistakes, and even quicker to say "I told you so" on the one time out of millions when we are actually right. Yep we are odd... and the Odds do get Even... Eventually.

    If the world ends, it ends... big deal. Everything that has a beginning has an ending, is this really a surprise. What's scary is not the world ending, and it will one day (whether we as a species are here to see it or not) but those who use the fear of the unknown as a weapon and as a trap against their own kind to help their emotions over-rule their rational thought process. Now THAT is scary!

    Life is good. Be compassionate. Realize lions eat lambs, and as Frank Hebert said;

    I must not fear.
    Fear is the mind-killer.
    Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
    I will face my fear.
    I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
    And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
    Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
    Only I will remain.

    Dune 1965
  • MaryMactavish
    If we manage to make it to 2013, it'll be all about the Linux. ;)
  • aishwarya
    i think the world could end in 2012.we don't have to be fear because today's world is too bad so i don't have fear
  • I can't stand when people post their crappy opinions under titles like "The Reason Why Science Will Not Win". You waste time reading there crappy articles just to find there's no relevant information on the topic at hand. Just the rantings of a skeptic that obviously hasn't done his homework.
  • crys_says
    Well honastly arent they all skeptics who havent done there homework? doesnt matter what side they are on! Some may have done more then others, just enough to get you hooked but nothing truely legible, nothing they can back up with anything, no truth they can show.. And i am not putting down Ian for what he has written by sayn what i said.. I actually do feel better after reading all of this..

    i am honeslty skeptical of both sides.. i do believe nothing will happen in one hand but in the other am in fear like hundreds of thousands of other people the fear that anything is possible.. Mainly becuase i have kids i am in fear for.. but mostly this fear is all drilled into my head as well as most everyone else.. All these end of the world movies, books, and tv shows are not helping thats for sure!
  • MaryMactavish
    Crys: Maybe reading more science and watching less end-of-the-world TV would help. (Especially if you have kids ... it might be scary for them to be exposed to what amounts to thriller-fiction.)
  • That's a good one Metal Man, I'd take your comment seriously if a) you posted your name to stand by your opinion, or b) you'd point out exactly what points you don't agree with. Let me know on which areas you'd like me to improve on and I'll see what I can do.

    Until then, your opinion is just as valid as mine, it's just that I back my opinion up with facts rather than accusations.

    Cheers, Ian
  • Kenneth
    In previous predictions,Some points are false.May be,the 2012 mentions something in somewhere,We still don't have any information like astorids toward to the Earth ,earth magnetic field weaken or doomed core(Since the core of earth contains lots of iron for the time being,not Uranium 235 and Uranium 238,the 235 and 238 combined=Nuclear bomb,May be the statement=the starting of SUPERMAN?).

    Is 2012-12-21=ends? No one knows,But we can change it in multi-ways not do the doomsaying, In present.
    (According to some people who read these Mayan things,Some people may state that the day is the another innovation,If we are passed the test(We don't know what exactly,But we must face it or we are all down in mind not body),We will be these innovators like in Japanese Animes and comics)

    Since some people said 1997 was the the doomday of the Earth.(May be wars,I guess,money making with the fools)

    Since,I used to search these information in GOOGLE,I discovered that the doomday said by Americans,But only Lots of Americans believe it.If they want us to believe,Do they provide the factual data like astorids coming,strong sun activity,or unexpected invasion like strange fleets?

    I seldom believe this as We do not find any points positive contacted.
  • kinnera
    yaa i agree with u kenneth...their must be +ve reasons scientific or supernatural wat ever ...to convince human dat the massacre does'nt take place....well till den ppl keep thier eyes on dat ddomsday or judgementday...all i can is dat juz wait and see the changes or adverse effects ...
  • Ronni
    C'mon, who belives this stuff?


    The Mayans werent magical nor could they predict the future, they'd probably still be alive and kicking it if they could, it was a culture of sacrificing people to the gods and in the end they still got annihilated, heck you don't even worship the same gods they do, why would you pay any attention to what they "predicted" if their culture means nothing to you.

    All this hysterical "doomsaying" is nothing but bored people seeking substance in their life, if you truly belived in it you wouldnt be arguing about it on websites, you'd be doing things you've always dreamed of doing, I know I would.


    In the end it's just a hype, it's "cool" to think that the world will end soon, it's obvious when you read the post's of the people who belive it and their best argument is (NASA is hiding it, i swear, it's true!!)

    Get a grip
  • My two cents
    Okay this is my two cents, if the world ends, it ends and there is nothing we can do about it, but if by some chance any of these theories or whatever are in anyway true, my main concern would be on is there a chance of survival and if so what!!! If not Then nothing matters anyways!! For every reason something can happen there are numerous other reasons why it can not happen, also if a catastrophic event were to occur, such as an asteroid headed towards earth that would cause a serious of events that lead to world destruction, and we had enough advanced knowledge of it and stopped it, and or moved it off course, wouldn't that have changed the series of events that were predicted to happen and therefore changed the domino effect that the effects of it would have caused?? I mean like was said earlier, the predictions made by Nostra.. and others were very vague and you could insert any catastrophe in it's place. Like lets talk about the greenhouse effects, Obviously the consequences of that could be placed in the revelation of the bible. I mean you get all the snow caps in the world to melt obviously you are gonna have great flooding, If the world is going barren obviously great fires. The more natural catastrophes that we have the more chance of disease and plagues, the more the economy goes haywire the more we have wars and riots, I mean there are so many ways to interpret what is to come and is already here, but unless you know for a fact and no one does, does it really matter??
  • Josh
    This topic scares the living hell out of me. I've done so much research on it that my head is starting to hurt from it. I keep reading that it isn't the end of the world, and I believe it wont end. I had read from a Mayan elder that the elders consider it an insult that we think it's the end when really it's a celebration of a new age, I wish I could remember the site I had read that at. But as I said is scares me. As of late I'm tried to become closer to God so he can comfort me from my madness. I'm just really scared.... I'll be honest about it. I just hope in 2012 I will be celebrating Christmas with my family with tears of joy that nothing happened and the people of the world and the world are ok.
  • roy
    did u read this or any of his articles especially the planet x one, u really need to remove ur comment because u just made an complete ass of ur self...O 'NEIL DOESNT SAY ANYTHING OR BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT U JUST COMMENTED...in other words man ur at the wrong site for people who actually believe 2012 doomsday shit lol...and please for ur own benefit re-read his articles with an adult because obviously ur reading comprehension is of a 5 year-old. by the way did you copy and paste ur comment i just cant believe that you wrote this and not get what the article is arguing against to what you think will happen in 2012.
  • Cloud
    Hello,

    The maian calender ends at 2012 because of a meteor that already passed us a month ago and could have hit us! Point is, it didn't! The maian calender is based on the moon phases of 28 days, while the callender we use have 28-31 for the most part. If it were to end, it would have happned last month. Hell; I bet if you throw in some quantium tunneling you could prove that Planet X already got hit and destroyed and the after image is what's being seen. We see this all the time with dead stars that have gone super nova.
  • Cloud
    They have a right to be alarmed, but they don't understand the facts that we were more close to death a month ago then a planet that we can't prove has any form of gravitational pull hitting (or entering the gravitational pull of the earth) If we can't prove it has some form of a pull, then the thing as i stated above may be a after Image.
  • Brian Blair
    LOL I am glad some get it. I think in the back of most peoples minds they all really get it too, but not quite comprehend it. And in the process of non comprehension,they think well enough to come up with a scheme like this.



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    WOW lol cmon people we are not all that fuxing mind fuxked or gone. lol

    Humans hu? lol we are all stupied I guees.
  • Bob
    It's all about money, money, money. Go out and take a walk and enjoy life. The universe is 4 billion years old and will be here for billions more.
  • alisha
    i will admit, in the beginning of this "so high school gossip" situation, had me going for a minute. People will say or do just about anything to pay their bills. You are the one person who actually makes sense and uses common sense and science to restore hope and people sense of security back into their lives, and for that i thank you. Because honestly i am 16 yrs of age and when i heard the world was going to end in 4 years... well i was ready to give up and then i came across your article. Thanks for changing my state of mind.
  • beekame
    All I have to say about 2012 is that as we get closer to the year it seems like more and more bad things are happening like deaths for example or robberies,murder,kidnapping,KIDKILLING,RAPIST,ETC...............
    but for real though they said the world was going to end alot of times but 2012 might be the actual date but nobody freaken KNOWS up here predictin stuff.
    Anyways I hope when that day comes we live and nothing happens except for a good christmas.
    Also make your family stay home Dec 21st 2012 just in case it happens I mean you dont wanna to be alone when it happens do you?????
    i didnt think i mean if you love your family make sure you're there with them on that day.
  • Thrashmetaller
    I really don't care what happens. I think Dec 21st 2012 will just be a normal day just like January 1st 2000 was and if something does happen then it would sure be pretty interesting ride for a few hours. I don't know why everyone is so fascinated about the apocalypse, but if it happens, hey at least this shitty world we've made it in to be will get what it deserves. So when Dec 21st 2012 comes, either prepare to go about your business like a normal day or stick your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.
  • mick
    im scared what if its all true? what do we do? where do we go? is it the end ? who knows we will see december 21 2012 11.11am acurate with countdown to doomsday clock
  • J H
    Why dance completely around the subject? Where did you include any factual peice in this segment of so called "information" provide" truth and maybe people would listen. And its obvious that you have no idea what your talking about. So just drop the subject and if you disagree or find any stipulating fact email me(dont waste my time w/ garbage like this ever again).
  • @JH

    Two things:

    1) The burden of proof lies on the person making the positive claim.
    2) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    The "positive claim" in this case is that something disastrous will happen in 2012. I leave the specifics of this claim up to you. If you want me to believe that Nibiru exists and will cause a disaster in 2012, then I require evidence to that end. If you want me to believe that an alignment between the Earth, Sun and the supermassive black hole in the center of the Galaxy will occur, then you need to prove to me that the alignment will occur. I do not need to prove that it will not.

    Regardless of this, Dr. O'Neill *has* provided evidence as to why some specific claims made by 2012 proponents are impossible. It is an impossible task to prove that *all* such claims are impossible, because each time one specific claim is refuted, a new claim is substituted to take its place.

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence: If the claim requires overturning much of what is known about physics (for example, Kepler's laws of planetary motion) then the burden of proof is increased. You not only would have to provide proof beyond the weight of the evidence, you would have to provide proof beyond any doubt whatsoever. This is because the claim 'swims uphill' against hundreds of years worth of observations.

    So it comes down to this: Put up, or shut up. If you have evidence that you believe shows some aspect of the 2012 hoax is real, please present it. You can do that here, or on my blog ( http://astrogeek.wordpress.com ) or on the "2012 Hoax" wiki at http://2012hoax.org. Without evidence, any claims that something drastic will happen in 2012 are intellectually and morally bankrupt.
  • sadandconfused
    It's a shame what they do to people with the fear stuff.God help us all with this and give us hope that the religious try to make us worried about.To me I thought that the Indians lost it when they invented this and they wished to frighten the weak at heart.I was like how can anybody be saved.Where is God in all of this and why do people have no heart.People should think about the kids and wish the best for all and quit wanting the world to end for more good can happen when people swallow their pride.Those people who invented this story should've heard "Nicklebacks "If Everyone Cared" " I pray that things will be alright and God will not let the end happen in 2012 it's too soon and I care about so many people.People are fighting a war and it's all sad.May God have mercy on this world.
  • pissu
    loda lele maderchod...
  • sillyperson
    I like to say: I'm doomed, your doomed, the earth is doomed, we're all doomed!!!
    So that way whatever happens I predicted it!
  • michaelrodion
    The Doomsday in 2012 wouldn't end
  • elainepulcher
    I think,Ian O'Neill has done a great job,it's not that I agree on every point,like I think jesus was very detailed,but I have found things in the bible that nobody seems to have read,most go on the popular basic belief of religion,kinda like brain washing,anyway what I am writing about is the author sounds a little like he's down,and I just wanted him to know that someone thought his article was really good and I find that it sounds like he is trying hard to comfort people. In a logical researched sort of way.
  • Brian Scheu
    I completely agree with Ian stated thoughts and opinions. I just can’t help but to ponder how the Mayans, Nostradamus and others from different time periods have all come up with the same date. I truly do not know what is going to happen but believe that it will not affect the planet earth in such a way that will qualify for "end of the world" terms. Something may happen and us earthlings will always be able to point to a event after the fact or even before the event takes place and say LOOK SEE.

    Brian Scheu
  • bunny2997
    this is all bull i think because the mayans new and they had no technolgy and we arn't sure

    mabee the myans stop on that day
  • philipb40
    only god knows when the end of time is dont people realize that world could end tonight or tomorrow why dec 21 2012 whats so special about that and if its going to end that day there wont be anyone alive but like i have said only god knows when the end of the world is not no mayan calender theses people need to grow up and get a life cant you see its all about making money are you to blind to see that
  • iaintdumb
    prophet and predictions is an oxymoron two different meanings that have nothing to do with one another bad context "BRA" and GOD says in da Basic Info Before Leaving Earth that he won't flood the world again but rather to burn it kinda like an EMP hitting us from the outer solar sys and simutanously being melted by the "new" Y class solar flares. that's FACT not "FACT" and propraganda "infamously not created by Hitler" are mostly uneducated hipsters flowing with the game which is going to lead to subscription to GOOGLE via Internet2 cause a conspriacy theorist is a terrorist and his vessel is the WWW1 so, free info will be phased out through a tactic you don't influence and why most people think im negative. FEAR. to not understand fully is to scared not to be confused with cautious which is simply being aware. 2012 facts if people act in such a way an electron works then we are FUBARd cause over 500 million people believe something will happen in 2012 where the other 6.5 1/2 billion people on the earth laugh and the situation giving attention non the less than the believers... member the monks in DC and the captain of the PD said it would take 10 feet of snow to drop crime rate 15 percent a lil meditation some spiritual stuff happen I consider the monks like protons and the crime as neutrons never will be in the same together ever... but physics will preveil this mainstreamed Odýsseia (<3 Greek bunch of fags)
  • iaintdumb
    p.s leave the mayians people alone cross reference your facts get some sumer or babylonian even the akkrad some gilgamesh be a theologian and a scientist things with think as fact can and most likely will be proven wrong i.e newtonian idea of light vs maxwell light and einsteins relative theory: constant of light all different ideas depicting what they THINK is real is forced to FACT through census utter BS like quanta mech just utter bs that requires imagination more than the simple concept of 2 + 2 =4 aka complexties which brings in the MAGIC factor M to compare a boson to a fermion and then we play GOD via compactification ,irrational thinking. thinking the unthinkable is more rational than thinking nothing real to irrational notation i.e string chaos butterfly the varible exponents are what you want them to be or which method you use to follow GAYNESS pion are gayness and so are the gluons they stick to. 2012 just another electroweak interactions between the human race and science. but if it's all true from niburu to great floods and fires disease famine ect. then maybe its just an electroSTRONG interaction between people and GAIA which would be pretty gay humans=electrons and the world= atom and the plants and lifeforms here are just other varibles that make up a molecule or crystaline we live in and we will cause a awesome beta decay.... FUN STUFF crammed like sodomy
  • Um... thanks for your comment... I think. Not sure why pions are gay and where Hitler comes into it, but I'm sure the answer is hidden somewhere in this blended soup of big words.

    I read it twice, and apart from a headache, I didn't get much out of it.

    Thanks anyway...
  • iaintdumb
    the idea is to just think. if it gave you a head ache then fragmented ideas spushed(not a real word but tangiable) together is not your forte. too much body not enough mind too much mind and not enough body. hitler was a pun for the propaganda that skeptics call the 2012 cult history (in america) taught that hitler was the forefather of propaganda but all he really do was create meth which has a bigger impact on today society than the holocaust. Quantum Mechanics is utter non sense to make things soooo complicated than they are that basic math is not acceptable and other variation not varible are implemented. It would be like me going outside and saying the sky is brown when its blue and we argue the point untill i say hey look in this instrutment its brown. It's literally bending numbers and perception it's either real; poportionant like a realistic painting or in quanta gough paintings are not real but have flavor of some truth but isnt true. which is gay(Gough is good but still gay in the example) i.e pions are gay and the gluons they stick to. how can we even begin to measure particle smashing in CERN like enviroments all over the world when they don't even reach the constant of light and then turn around and say there is another force called DE or DM aka "WIMPS" waiting and watching supernovas is more exciting then waiting from 0 to moment of catching this WIMP which is GAY and is Quanta which is just an overcomplicated way of manipulation math that is SOLID
  • iaintdumb
    the idea is to just think. if it gave you a head ache then fragmented ideas spushed(not a real word but tangiable) together is not your forte. too much body not enough mind too much mind and not enough body. hitler was a pun for the propaganda that skeptics call the 2012 cult history (in america) taught that hitler was the forefather of propaganda but all he really do was create meth which has a bigger impact on today society than the holocaust. Quantum Mechanics is utter non sense to make things soooo complicated than they are that basic math is not acceptable and other variation not varible are implemented. It would be like me going outside and saying the sky is brown when its blue and we argue the point untill i say hey look in this instrutment its brown. It's literally bending numbers and perception it's either real; poportionant like a realistic painting or in quanta gough paintings are not real but have flavor of some truth but isnt true. which is gay(Gough is good but still gay in the example) i.e pions are gay and the gluons they stick to. how can we even begin to measure particle smashing in CERN like enviroments all over the world when they don't even reach the constant of light and then turn around and say there is another force called DE or DM aka "WIMPS" waiting and watching supernovas is more exciting then waiting from 0 to moment of catching this WIMP which is GAY and is Quanta which is just an overcomplicated way of manipulation math that is SOLID
  • It's a riddle?

    A wordsearch puzzle?

    If I read it on its side, does it predict doomsday? Ouch, that just makes my headache worse.

    Nope, I still don't get why pions are gay. Why are pions gay?
  • eliasjordan
    Wait, what just happened?

    Did, did I just get.....nevermind.

    What I have learned from this post:

    Hitler was a meth dealer
    Meth is worse than the holocaust
    The sky is the color of my poop
    CERN is a person
    and!
    Math is a solid
  • iaintdumb
    LOL@

    Hitler was a meth dealer
  • eliasjordan
    PS I also learned that you "aint dumb"
  • iaintdumb
    I can't wait for the movie 2012 to hit I max
  • Oh look... it's post modernism with terrifying lack of grammar or spelling!

    I'm really not hung up on proper English. Hell, I make more typos than I should admit. But after a certain point, the lack of grammatical and spelling skills dissolves a reply into a muddled, incomprehensible mess.
  • ... with a terrifying lack of grammar or spelling!

    Still, I think my point stands because you can actually discern what I'm talking about.
  • Multifarious
    Oooh, lovely reply!!
    Seriously, if you're not trolling, mind passing me some of what you just had..?
  • eliasjordan
    Alright, I stopped reading the comments after I got down the what 30th?

    Now I must say everyone who believes the earth will end is smoking something...heavy!

    Mayan Calendar: Some guy eventually ran out of spaces to put more dates on the calendar! Geez its one large circular calendar, how many dates can you fit on it!

    Ian, you did a great job with the article, all your articles. Now I must admit if something *magically* does happen it will be kindof funny/ironic, BUT nothing will happen.

    Its just the same as :"Y2K" and all other "doomsday" theories....Anyways we should be looking towards death by Apophis, in 2036 ;)


    (You know someone is going to look that up now...)
  • aldovasquez
    Mr.O'Neill I thank you for this comments cause I got 2 kids 9 and 11 who just watch the 2012 saga and is very dificult for me,since I'm not a man of science(actually a painter)
    to try to convence them that everything will be ok,I don't think that this people realize the damage that they can cause,my kids are very depress and I very worry.It would really help if somebody ,enybody would point me to a direction where I can prove this people wrong .THANK YOU A VERY WORRY FATHER.
  • jojo
    Mr Vasquez,

    No one knows what is going to happen. Assure your children there is NOTHING to fear.

    Ian sweet read, thanks for your thoughts.
  • alexis2323
    hi im 17 years old i have very bad scare attacks
    my father says it cant be real but i still wonder..
    i mean why would the earth stop now?

    this has brought od back into my life i am very happy
    but still very scared...please anyone send me good reasons why this couldnt happen..
    im hoping its just vwery good change my email is alexisowens25@yahoo.com please let me know
  • andejacksen
    There is a lot of malcontents on this world, in part largely due to the harshness of current economics and the reality of the cruel system we as humans have placed into service. Doomsday is like a sexual release for them. Freedom perhaps in some twisted fantasy.
    Not all 2012 scenario's are doom and gloom. Some suggest merely a change in human consciousness. To leave behind the savage and greedy ways of the capitalistic nature we adhere to now and possibly awaken to something truly more benevolent and pure.
    Do not dwell on the negative my young friend. Use your own consciousness to dwell on the positive aspects of existence. After all consciousness is energy and so it goes that energy cannot die apparently, it only changes form. (Needless to say in this fashion we are all immortal gods and have not to fear but fear itself)
  • chrisbennett
    Ok If there is going to be a doomsday wht havent we done anything about it they are making movies. I dont understand why people believe the stuff in the bible. why believe somthing that people made up. if the world was really going to end there would be warnings and all of this stuff.i have no beliefe in any of this stuff. thank you for listening.
  • andejacksen
    The entire history of earth could be made up ? How is anyone to know. Much like George Orwells 1984 novel perhaps, what really is the truth ? For some odd reason people are more comfortable with lies than truth. You can expirience this every day in many situations for yourself. Wife asks "do these pants make me look fat?" ...you lie. Silly example, but a fitting one. There will never be full disclosure or truth from any Government or Science department, and why ? Cause they don't know themselves what is the truth.
  • isak
    i agree there will not be end of the world and science stop let evry 1 panic
  • isak
    and 1 more thing now be couse read the 2ö12 bullshit i dream allways about doomsday! i hate those sicance!
  • ezra09
    Yes my friend you are quite right. Plz do not mind if i add something on to it that God Almighty says that “No one knows that when is the day of judgment but on this day the wrongdoers will suffer in the fire of hell.”(Surat Al-Ahzab)

    According to me this is all to gain the attention of people as people are terrified by such sayings. I would like to tell you that many such (fake!) prophecies had been made in the centuries (17 - 20) but all lead to the same that is NOTHING!

    So be relaxed cuz if you believe in God I bet even the whole universe can not harm you!
  • i think that 2012 spiritual is best then while there is science.
  • ash812
    Everything happens for a reason.Right! We are deprive of sight by gluttony (what evil incites such hatred and bitterness over humanity) Even if there's advances in Science, there are so many questions that can't be answered. If somehow in the coming years, is the end. Why live any longer?- To cause more suffering and bitterness! ( devastating earthquakes, record-breaking tsunamis, category 5 hurricanes, spiking global temperatures, war war) Some say; prophecies are just prophecies, a good novel or a sci-fi-movie. Well we will see if this is the end, at the least hour.
  • andejacksen
    Nothing happens just for some divine reason... things just happen. The statement that everything happens for a reason is only a psychological human statement to try and make sense of what we consider chaos to help try and wrap our minds around something since we are so far removed from nature and real intelligence these days in this current phase of human existence. What is going to happen if anything happens was going to happen if we were here or not. Some things we can manipulate and some things we cannot.
  • ezra09
    KINDLY GIVE MORE RATINGS TO MY COMMENTS RATHER THAN MAILING ME AS THIS MEANS MORE TO ME.





    THANKS,
    Z.R.A
  • AnIndiian
    Dear Mr. O Neil
    I have gone through your article. Its mind blowing and surely has a positive effect on eleminating the panic created by many articles,predictions & stupid astrology over the last few months. Your reasons are extremely scientifically approvable and practical. Afterall no Mayan calendar bullshit can overrule scientific reasoning.
    I remain thanking you
    An Indian student(Science)
  • andejacksen
    You do realize science is also a lot of conjecture, it just so happens that 9 out of the 10 science guys voted yes instead of no for the theory.

    People like the Mayans were possibly a little more in tune with nature than your current average mall shopping TV hypnotized fool of the current world.
  • andejacksen
    What are the facts for 2012 ? What sites list actual scientific data without doomsday predictions ? Is the sun on it's 11th year polarity shift again as in 2002/03. Are we aligning up with the center of our galaxy ? Is the earth shifting it's own poles, are the water tables rising ? Are there actually super volcano's and fault lines ? Was the entire world one land mass at one point and over time broke off into these continents as we know them ? So many questions and no real data since everything is opinon and theory. Maybe the answer is posted on a memo inside the larger pyramid of Mars.
  • andejacksen
    What seems to me as a simple plain reality without having to succumb to any prophecy or bible type fantasy is this... everything is under change, there is no absolute constant. As humans we are kinda simple in that we figure we are masters of all we see. Well, even in our short lives it is an endless change. From young to old to death. Why would anything be any different when planets and the universe are in question ? ...it's probably only the scale of time that would differ. It does not seem impossible to me for a horrible disaster to be possible. The predicting of it takes some blind faith though... however the raw reality of existence is that change is always occuring for better or worse. If you look at the earth as a living thing and at us like parasites draining the earth of life, maybe it's as simple as the earth (like a human body) using anti-virus to rid itself of the destructive sickness. Many different ways to describe it or talk about it... bottom line without any leaps of faith is that change is inevitable.
  • Madhav
    I think I can Agree with u
  • Madhav
    wat ever written in the bible has happened.so this too will take place
  • mypoint
    well this aint in the bible..the resurection is which is suppose to happen 2000 years after jesus' last appearnce which we know as 33 bc..which means the most likely end date would be 2033 NOT 2012
  • mypoint
    Im sorry but if there was an aned coming up then the government sould atleast be working on something for us to survive in and if they did build something like that the world would know because theyre going to need something really big and they wouldnt be able to hide it from us.
  • tif
    Yeah right like the Government would spend money on something to save your ass, that is hilarious. Anyways, silly points aside, did it occur to you that if the world does indeed END anything they 'build' is gone too?
  • megangc
    I am very please to hear that the world will not be coming to an end, because i have been very worried about it over the past few months and over those few months i have been trying to find hope and that i have. But what if this did happen? What would it be like? And do you think that the gorernment would even tell us untill last minute?
  • Wilmer
    Sr. O' Neill:

    Su punto de vista, me parece bastante acertado. No es bueno dejarse llevar por la multitud; yo creo en Dios y asisto a una iglesia Cristiana Bautista, pero ello no me ciega en ver los hechos:

    a) Un planeta fantasma 'X' o 'Nibiru' o lo que fuere; no aparece de la nada se necesita de años para que se aproxime y no solamente la NASA u otro centro de Investigación Espacial estarian anoticiados, la magnitud de un planeta asi estaria visible mediante telescopios accesibles a varios centros de estudio a nivel mundial.

    b) Todas las profecias, calendarios, escritos y demás, estan siendo amoldados para coincidir con el año 2012; acaso no ocurrió lo mismo al desatarse la Segunda Guerra Mundial o la crisis de los Misiles en Cuba, donde se penso que el fin del mundo era inminente.

    Lo triste y real, es que es la humanidad y solo la humanidad misma esta creando su propio Apocalipsis (Doomsday), con la contaminación, el avasallamiento de los recursos, la violencia y todo lo que proviene por ello; no sera de extrañar que el fin del mundo llegue el 2012 o el 2021 o el próximo 2010 si la humanidad no reacciona.

    Dios ama a su creación y prometio no volver a destruirla con un cataclismo, pero la humanidad si puede generar ese cataclismo sino cambia.
  • thatguy1234
    lol yeah but they are brilliant though. wish i would of come up with this i wouldnt be fighting to pay my bills. lmfao
  • Parithi
    I knew this would happen someday!!
  • yeahwhatever
    real cute - interesting you are decrying 2012 fiction and yet you are making a living cranking out extremely useless commentary of your own about it for a living. The Mayan calendar says "this timeline will end" and it is also the beginning of a new timeline. If you even work for this rag anymore and happen to read this, I suggest you do some research of your own before opening your yap. 2012 may not be the end, but it isn't so because you think so anymore than because of the trail of morons lined up to buy someone else's book think so.
  • Yawn. If you think I make a "living" out of talking about 2012 on my blog you are seriously misinformed. Besides, why even respond to this "useless commentary"? How very sad.
  • teh name iz bob
    Anything can happen in 2012 its just unlikely that the world will end just because the maiyan calender ends dec 21st, if the maiyans predicted that the world will end in 2012 then how come they couldnt predict when their civilization would come to an end.
  • benvaughn34
    He will will come like a thief in the night!! None will know the Time of his Passing!! Remember your Bible. Just live for Christ and Deal with Armegeddon when it comes brothers and sisters.
  • N0D00MSDAY
    You are exactly right! Like some big ball of fire's going to come slap-bang in the middle of the Earth! I seen one thing the internet that everyone's satellite is going to stop working in 2008, and did that happen? NO! I think it's like eerything'll start over again.. 31st December *END* 1st
    January *START*. I honestly believe in your artical the most. Just becuase the Mayans believe that the worlds going to end in twenty twelve it doesnt necesserely mean its going to happen. Well thats my say...
  • sydneyb
    dear nodoomsday,

    I have a question. I just thought that something with mayans winter will end. I didn't think they thought the world was going to end. And i have a question 4 u. What happens when the plantes align, because they say thats what will end the world. And another thing, how will god come in the middle of the night because it might be night somewhere, but it will be day somewhere else?
  • sydneyb
    Thank you,

    I have been so so worried about 2012, well, because i am only an 11 year old girl. Some people under-estimate me, i have been doing some serious research about all this doomsday crap, and try to explain to people that 2012 won't happen.The number one place i look is the holy bible. All these people on the discovery channel say that earthquakes will strike, all volcanoes will go off, and that 2 large tsunami waves will wipe out 95% of the earth. Well, i know that that water stuff won't happen because God said he would never again flood the earth, and he said that the world will end from fire. The Bible says this day will be called armageddon, not doomsday. No-body knows when the world will end, it says in the Bible. Back to my problem, I am still worried though because yet we have no proof that it won't happen. I really need to be talked to about all of this, i just need to calm down. I also try to tell myself that it wont happen, but yet i get signs that it will. The signs worry me because some people say i have a gift because i get a felling that something will happen and it usually does, and i haven't been wrong yet. My next door neighboor is in NASA, and said its all lies about 2012, but like i said i have a strange feeling.
  • whitney
    If there were proof of any catastrophe, it would not be made public.
  • srisri
    Dear Mr O Neill,
    I am from India and want to express views that I feel strong. The people in our country mostly believe in God. Since being the place is based on KARMA theory all of us have belief of God and his miracles for re-birth of human in cycles. Our country still has not sufficient knowledge in the people to understand what is real. We experienced in our Local channels spreading the Doom's day Dec-21, 2012 in all and encouraged to live 'as you wish before the end'.

    This has brought a tremendous response in human life and everyone are behaving in a panic manner. Society itself turned into Barbaric state. More violence is spread in the minds of all expecting only onething "all will live for 3 years only". Due to the reason the crimes are also increased in the society. we are facing several dreadful situations even in a small matter. People began to behave very careless and ir-responsible manner. The human values are going down. I expressed my observations from the part of India(southern side)
  • conspiracytheoryjesseventura
    2012 is just another y2k scare.

    http://www.conspiracytheoryjesseventura.com/
  • mo kaggi
    no loser shuddup
  • soni
    shuttup i love u marry me my name is sunny p
  • jpo809
    Nostradamus said that there will be a president known as Nelson Mandela.HE was our south african president 1n 1994. nostradamus said this about 500 yrs ago.I THINK 2012 MIGHT ACTUALLT HAPPEN.

    iM NOT GOING TO WAIT FOR THE END IM GOIN TO PREPARE.PEOPLE CAN DIG MINES,TUNNELS DEEP ENOUGH FOR HUMANS TO SURVIVE. tHEY MUST GATHER ENOUGH FOOD, DRINK AND ENTERTAINMENT(MAGAZINES,books,cellphones ext.)

    Im really not gonna wait to die, I rather will not say THIS IS BULLSHIT.GOd is more powerfull than all of us and i think its time for us to go in 2012.
    I mean in the Bible it says the world will end in fire.

    I mean nostradamus saw hurracane katrhina and the tsunami in 2004 500 yrs AGO before it happend.
  • I cannot say with any certainty that something will or will not happen that will have a devestating effect on our planet. I do feel it's prudent to be prepared though.

    I've lived my whole life in Hurricane country, do we always get hurricanes? do we always lose power/water?...no, of course not, but if I am prepared for that...if and when it does happen I am not at a loss.

    I feel we have a greater chance of nuclear war, or economic crisis that will be the undoing of our world because of how we vaule things than any 2012 doomsday.

    Not to metion our overpopulating the planet, abusing it's resources as if they'd be around forever (and a day). These things need closer attention paid to them right here, right now!
  • londonhouseclearance
    Science may not always win as it has so many draw backs also.
  • rock
    This is true the doomsday is real or not because Im very scared and also is frieghtening.The the nasa says is not real because no prophecies in the year dec 21 2012.pls respond?
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