"Anyone Who Thinks the LHC Will Destroy the World is a Twat."

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This hombre embodies blooming heck bromance.....

Never really liked the guy myself. The only twat is Cox himself, who's not averse to dishing the stick but doesn't like to get it in return.

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What do you expect from a rag such as The Daily Mail? They are a tabloid in disguise, always have been. And taking of twats, editors anyone?

This guy is my bromance.....

I was thinking of that thing too, before I read this article.
thanks Ian..

@Jane, worry.

Ian O'Neil proves nothing, 'cept he can right a good piece. Cox proves nothing. As a pop star he was a nothing.. as a physicist, he is great tele.. the LHC is as capable of destroying us, as anything else man can create.
Let's face it.. we developed a bomb to do so.. then used it. We will kill ourselves off, it's just a matter of time.
As to the debate here.. Aw c'mon lets face it.. if Cox can't take the opinion of other's, he's a twat.

@Angelus, damn, I'm not perefect.. petrefect.. ah, perfect.

@MMO, and Sir, what makes you and Mr Cox so perefect.
I thought the right thing was to look at both sides. Not just your own and slate those who disagree!

I was so worried over this it made me ill, but I am now comfortable with it, Dont believe everything you read find out from the people who know what they are talking about. The opinion of a nasa senior scientist is that it is safe and thats good enough for me.
The real concern reguarding danger to our planet comes from asteroids and we should be more worried about this threat. W e should be pressuring our governments to act on this as a matter of urgency.

hahaha . I love this guy to. People who thing the LHC will destroy the world are dumb :)

On Cox is cited saying: "When theories are shown to be false, the correct thing to do is to move on." Else there are confessions about his confidence in engineers, and, of course, physicists are sensitive beings, bringing good to the world and its civilization. The cited statement as well as the TED talk are full of the common hybris. They deny to think about the globality of the potential threat, that way taking all other hostage. First, and second, sentence of their religolous confession: "The LHC is safe." Based on what theory they claim that? The same wonderful theory which is incomplete, and, at best, inconsistent? The theory which is so incomplete that they started to think that they would need the LHC experiment? That's a petitio principii, a silly circularity in the safety argument. Nobody knows for instance much about strongly-coupled Quark Gluon Plasmas. I expect Cox to have a "theory" on it. Ever tested it? Thats the first mistake of these oh so intelligent physicists. But there is a second serious mistake in the safety claims, proposed by all those awaiting the collisions like fanatics: (1) They do NOT take into account the experimental conditions. Only single collisions of protons are considered. Cosmic rays are not the same as the beam packages, the energy of a single collision is not the correct metric to speak about the collision, see overlapping sQGP. For instance. Ever seen a "cosmic ray" mead from lead ions? A cosmic ray consisting of 10e11 particles? At least 30 colliding very, very close to each other almost simultaneously? I think that nowhere in the universe (except another collider) these conditions will be met. We do know that the sQGP spreads to a diameter of the whole gold-nucleus, its not so tiny anymore. What about overlapping these exotics, to accumulate the energy density? (2) The surprises met concerning sQGP at the RHIC this October clearly shows, that the current theory should NOT extrapolated. To do so, even Cox get a victim of the "inductionist fallacy". Reading D.Hume on that is recommended. ---
The LHC COULD be safe, nobody can honestly know. It could. Because there is a chance for basic failure of current theories, the threat is potentially a global one, the issue develops into an ethical, or political one. Here, all the physicists are simply ruthless. Its an ethical singularity yes, but we should deal with it not calling each other twats. Do you really trust a guy calling you a twat, and at the same time performing insane logics in a safety argument? I prefer not to.
(more at lhc.blogsite.org)

apparently noone knows anything here....dumb dumb people in this bunch :)

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where did you get your god awful information Paul, are you a scientist, cause i will give you quote to a real psysych and prove you wrong

No offense man, but dont feed the trolls who spread lies and misinformation

of course it might destroy the world according to Einstein's relativity...
black holes dont depend on size to keep growing as mass bombs at c-speed.
M=e/c2. In fact, big bang models use singularities at planck scale (Guth).
Hawking has always proved wrong and his concept that undetermined particles
travelling faster than light evaporate the black hole is pure speculation. Amazes me how physicists can take that risk based in theoretical assumptions. Deconfined quarks dont happen in nature, but might happen inside novas triggering the big-crunch at the
same time than the big-bang: E=mc2 + M=e/c2, both go together... LHC is just a quark
factory, and quarks provide a perfect model to explain novas creating strangelets, black
holes and other possible types of dark matter. It is basically a big atomic gun but unlike
other previous models it only needs to make enough deconfined quarks joined by the
strong force to start a chain reaction, that is it only needs the detonator, the combustible
are us

Seems to me like scientists trying to stir up controversy so as to justify more funding.... I don't think people are that interested.... But they are interested when they get taxed and that tax money builds a great waste of money.

That money was peoples electricity bills, baby cloths, grocery money, house payments....etc.

Instead taxes went up, or something important to them never got built, so the socialist elite and their pet scientists could build a collider.... I think the scientists should have built it themselves and sought sponsorship from companies.... If they failed... Then no collider.... It must be a really nice feeling to be paid to do your hobby and get the government to get taxpayers to pay for it.

... But of course they will think they are much to important for the criticism.... No doubt.

LHC final launch at the end of 2008 can have really frightining consequences:

http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x5uswz_gateway-to-the-gods_tech/video/x6l5s0_hawrad_tech

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x60lko_stop-the-large-hadron-collider-lhc_tech

Even though the odds of the black hole appearing are not that high, did anyone ask you if you're willing to trust a bunch of scientists with your life just so that they can test their theories? I hope that

anyone who cares about the future will take an action. Please suggest your ideas (legal, etc) on how to do this. I hope that if enough of us stand united against CERN, the organization behind LHC, we will be

able to save our planet.

With the greatest respect, I fear that anyone that thinks the Daily Mail is a newspaper is a twat.

ur they will kils us all i hate them



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"The Daily Mail is not a crank newspaper in the UK,"


Ummmm.......... yes it is. In fact it's a crank newspaper wherever you read it in the world.

I hear the 'Sci-Fi Channel' has commissioned a feature length drama entitled 'CERN - The Countdown to Destruction'.

It's due to air this fall.

I think now that the word " Twat" should be designated technical credibility as a unit of stupidity, especially pertaining to tabloid journalists. The tabloids could then rate their hacks on the Brian Cox " Twat" scale. This would give an index of how much plausibility to give the author of a given article.

I don't like the Daily Mail any more than any of you, but it's an attention grabbing headline that will make people read about the LHC.

and at the end of the article (presumably if you really thought the world might end next Wednesday you'd bother to read it all...)

it says:
All have concluded that there is no measurable risk whatsoever. Perhaps the best argument against the LHC doomsday scenario is that cosmic rays - natural high-energy particles from space - smash into the Earth's atmosphere all the time with far, far more energy than will be generated by this machine.

If it were possible to create a dangerous black hole by simply bashing atomic particles together, this would have happened naturally long ago, and we wouldn't be here to build this particle accelerator in the first place. So we are safe.

The Daily Mail is always full of shit.

Scare mongering and borderline racist. Just don't listen!

Thanks, Ian! w00t!

Wonderful! Thank you Gia! I'm posting Brian's excellent response now.

(Great blog by the way!)

Best, Ian :)

Thanks so much for writing this and thanks so much to everyone for Digging it. Some of you may be interested in Brian's response to the whacky 'LHC Concerns' crowd:

http://www.giagia.co.uk/2008/09/06/cern-scientists-receive-death-threats/

> "The Daily Mail is not a crank newspaper in the UK, it is one of the widest read tabloids in the country."

Sadly, the Daily Mail *is* a crank newspaper in the UK, and one with such a wide readership that politicians of every colour have to pay heed to it.

he wishes it was that powerful

Yeah, but what about quantum physics. If enough people believe that it will end the world, then it will. QED.

This is proven beyond reasonable doubt at www.mindweed.org

@stellare: Yes, publicity is good, but it is not funny anymore when the LHC scientists get death threats from noobs who have no idea what particle physics is all about:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/09/05/scilhc105.xml

hhhmmmm?????
who is to say that it "wont" destroy the earth?
its easy to jump on the side of science when those people spend their entire careers making sense of things we do not understand.
And its just as easy to make doubt and make fun of those that dont know "tw*t" about science yet spend their entire lives being loyal to their religious beliefs!.....dont you ignorant people get it?....its about science to scientists....and its about scripture to religious people.

@Matthew:- Well, yes, I would agree with you on that. Unfortunately it really is considered to be a reliable source of news; even the tabloids need to take some responsibility for publishing damaging articles...

Well, The Daily Mail is certainly one of the most widely read crank tabloids in the country, I think.

Well, he's only saying that because when it DOES destroy the world, there will be nobody to tell him "I told you so".

"science: if you're not pissing people off, you're not doing it right" -xkcd.org

Actually, does anybody know who came up with this LHC-apocalypse idea?

It reeks of soccer mom... or creationist. then again it's too damn widespread for that.

This guy is my bromance.....

Tabloid newspapers publishing sensationalist rubbish?! Well i never!

I totally agree with you on the publicity front, the only problem is the fear that is being needlessly kicked up by certain reckless journalists when they publish doomsday articles. I just cant wait until 2010 when the LHC is at full capacity and the LHC lawsuit is a mere memory (I wonder what Walter Wagner will be suing then?!!)

Cheers! Ian

All the doomsday prognosis is GREAT, Ian. All publicity is GOOD publicity. All the fuzz will inspire some curious minds and make them head over to physics. I'm sure of it! :-)

In September 11th, when anything has happened, all this stuff will be shifted to another future date. And so on...maybe when it has been shifted 3 or 4 times, people forget this issue.